The GUS Daily Digest Sunday, 28 May 1995 Volume 22 : Number 026 Today's Topics: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #25 SB&GUS The G-List and WWW sound processing questions... Gus + SB running together Old GUS for sale! RE:16 bit recording (adpcm) Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #25 GUS Max's 48 khz recording -- can anyone tell? GUS Max's 48 khz recording -- can anyone tell? WTB: Gravis Ultrasound (fwd) Memory for GUS... (fwd) GUS&SB16 (again...) GUS and SB Re: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there? Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:57:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #25 > > The GUS windows driver is ALREADY a vxd. GRVSULTR.386 doesn't have the > > VXD extension, but it is one. (As I recall). It's already 32-bit. However > > it does not conform to the Win95/NT standards. > > I believe that the GUS .VxD is a 16-bit .VxD since it runs under Win3.1 so calls VxD's are always 32-bit in one sense. I think they need to run at Ring 0 of 386-protected mode, which is why a 386 is required. > > Why still here? This is the GUS mailing list, not the ex-GUS mailing list! > > Why shouldn't I be here? I have almost 3 years experience with > the GUS (I USED to mantain the GUS AIL list) and I figure I can still Fair enough, sorry. I wasn't entirely serious, should have used a smiley. > No, game developers will say "Hey, look at that, even Gravis is cutting > support for their pre 3.xx soundcard! And wait, there's the Interwave coming! > Maybe they will cut support for the GUS MAX/ACE when it comes?" They aren't CUTTING support. They're taking advantage of the improved hardware on 3.x versions. There is no way they could have got pmode mega-em to work on 2.x versions. And I'm sure when Interwave comes, they will take advantage of Interwave features, thus releasing programs that won't run on 2.x or 3.x GUS. > b) People have to pass exams to drive a car. The same should be applied to > using the net! (I will get killed for this one...) No, that's the point. You won't get killed. It is impossible to kill someone by having a signature too long, or reposting a whole digest. However, it's very very easy to kill someone using a car, and this happens many times every day. > While I hate 'industry standards' like the crap Creative Labs foists upon us, I > would not hesitate to buy a CL card with an Interwave. Anybody notice the sh*t I *still* think it highly unlikely CL would use Interwave when they have their own pet music hardware company to do chips for them! Does no-one agree? > say RING 0?? Yeah, like that 'protected mode' megaem that needs NMI..sheesh). It's not reasonably possible to do protected mode support without NMI. Mega-Em is the most advanced piece of emulation software I've ever seen, already. (if you can write better, then do it. That's how we got the first mega-em version). Sam [] http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d405ua <[ Web pagE ]> *NEW* Sysex Manager ! [] [] For Software Forge program information and downloads [] Including [] [] NETRIS 1.1 best Tetris game <[ For Win 3.1 ]> Sysex Manager 1.0S [] ------------------------------ From: erlingp@stud.cs.uit.no (Erling Paulsen) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 15:07:45 +0200 Subject: SB&GUS Hi! I saw that people are having trouble using a SB and a GUS together in the same configuration. I've been using the GUS and a SB-Pro for about 2 years, and hav had no problems - ever. The wisest thing is to have the SB on its default settings. Be sure u have an clear overview of what adresses, interrupts and dma's are beeing used by which devices, and no which ones are free. (use various system-information programs, check your bios, card manuals.. whatever to minmize the chance of conflicts) If you do, you should find appropriate settings for the GUS i.e 240,7,7,11,5 - or just go by trial end error until you find working settings. I think some network and many other cards like to use 230... so personally I think 240 is a good choice. My settings are SB 220h irq7 d1 (default for sbpro1) and GUS 240,7,7,11,2 and never had a problem. The only problem I have is that my SB is getting of no use. In the last year, I havent used my SB once.. oh I'm lying, except for Magic Carpet.., but I'm planning on selling it because I've run out of empty slots. *sigh* Oh.. well, I guess it really doesn't help by my saying "I GOT IT WORKING!", if you don't. All I tried to say is - KNOW YOUR SYSTEM. Make a list of which what is free or not. Then u should be able to debug your problem. I dont know, but it might be magic, most ppl that I know (with multo soundcards) got it working best with the GUS on addr. 240. - - Erling "GUS Rulz" - --------------------------------------- Erling Paulsen | erlingp@stud.cs.uit.no http://www.cs.uit.no/~erlingp Disclaimer: "Life begins at 100MHz" Department of Computer Science - University of Tromsoe, NORWAY - --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: markus@nbnet.nb.ca (Jurassic Mark) Date: Sat, 27 May 95 11:31:22 EDT Subject: The G-List and WWW > I think > the only thing we could do to keep this down is to have a more complete > G-List (the software compatibility list). Waht would be great, is a WWW > site that users can post solutions to once one is found I've been working in this and I still am. The G-List should be transfered back to me soon. And as soon as we have our own Internet server (might be a month), I'll make my imagination wander... Jurassic Mark (Marc Y. Paulin) Mail: markus@nbnet.nb.ca - IRC: J-Mark WARPing and GUSsing!!! ------------------------------ From: Gus-club Date: 27 May 95 19:17:33 Subject: sound processing questions... hi you all, sound processors.. i just wanted to ask some questions about sound effects: 1. what is "flange" effect & what for it is used? 2. same question about "reverb", any difference from "echo"? 3. where i can find formula: "hi-pass filter", "notch filter". ok, bye for now. ------------------------------ From: Doug Whittier Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 09:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gus + SB running together > This post is not intended as a platform for me to rave about my great system > ;-) I was just interested as to how many other people think this is the > 'ideal' soloution ?? Yup. I've had a Max and an SBPro running in tandem for some time now. The setup is very nice, and has only failed on Privateer. The game will not detect _either_ of my cards. I can live with it, however. L8R Doug Whittier ------------------------------ From: Gunnar Swanson Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Old GUS for sale! Dear GUSers, I finally succombed to the lure of no hassles that the SB16 offered. I finally broke down and gave up my GUS and GUS Max. I sold the MAX but am now trying to sell an old rev 2.2 board if you want it I would be happy to let it go for about $60 this includes shipping. It works fine as far as I know and has one meg of DRAM on it. I have the 2.06 install disks and if any one is interested please email me at gunnar@email.unc.edu Note to all of you overseas chaps this offer includes the 48 contigous states. Sorry AL and HW. Sincerely, Gunnar Swanson end. ------------------------------ From: fta@wbb.com Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:57:43 -0400 Subject: RE:16 bit recording (adpcm) >I recorded a WAV file under USS16 with ADPCM compression. >I can't play it with playfile (that's ok), but if I want to >play it under Windows (media player) which has a Microsoft ADPCM >driver, I hear only scrap. The ADPCM WAV file format used by USS is not compatible with MPlayer, but MPlayer CAN play ADPCM WAV files produced by other programs... >So question No1: how can I play ADPCM compressed SND/WAV files > from DOS and from Windows? Playing is easy in Windows--use MPlayer. Recording is a different question... >Question No2: How can I record to an ADPCM compressed file > under Windoze? The only solution I have found is to record the sound in a program such as GoldWave or Cool Edit (both shareware), and save the file as an ADPCM WAV. Unfortunately, neither of these two programs will record direct-to-disk as an ADPCM file. The resulting WAV file is playable by MPlayer, but I don't think USS recognizes it. >Question No3: Is it possible to play back a wav file on the > playback DMA and record it with ADPCM compression? Sorry, never tried it. In theory I guess it's possible. I have seen a few new programs around that turn the GUS into 4-track recorder (I think that's what they did--check the submit directory on epas). I assume you are asking because you want a method to convert your existing files to ADPCM. In that case, a program such as GoldWave or Cool Edit will work. I wrote to the Gravis techs about ADPCM a few months ago, and the response was a terse message to the effect that the GUS hardware is capable of playing ADPCM samples, but the Windows drivers do not implement these capabilities. I am unsure of the wording of his reply, but he made it sound like the GUS had some kind of hardware features relating to ADPCM recording and playback that were not being exploited in the GUS Windows drivers (can someone who knows about the technical stuff verify this?). As to the incompatibility of ADPCM WAV files written by USS, perhaps someone can get a hex viewer and check out the header and some sample data and find out whether there is an easy way to fix them to work with Windows. (Wishful thinking? I really don't know enough about this kind of thing to know) In any case, I have no problem playing ADPCM files written by Cool Edit or GoldWave (this is NOT an advertisement--just fact!). If anyone has a better solution, please advise! In the meantime, you might want to try mu-law encoding (halves the size, the same coding used in AU files). There's a program called WPLANY that can play these, and one called WHAM that can write them. Probably not what you're looking for, but check it out. --------------------------------------- | Call me "FRED" | | - Standard Disclaimer - | Toronto, Canada | | - Applies - --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Yossi Oren Date: Sat, 27 May 95 20:29:27 +0300 Subject: Re: The GUS Daily Digest V22 #25 Re SB and GUS: A text file talking about the problems and tricks involved has been around for quite a while (i.e. it's outdated, but so is a SB!). Look for sbgusfaq.txt or something, at the same subdir where the FAQ is. Re Windows 3.1 GUS driver: Considering what little I know about Windows, I don't think it's even possible to have such a thing as a 16-bit VxD. Besides, the .386 extension shoulda tipped you off. What I do suspect is that the driver does some nasty footwork to trap MIDI calls or load patches or something, and Chicago doesn't like it. Good thing it can be fooled. Re policy policing: I've seen this happen on other lists - don't start giving helpful netiquette advice - it doesn't discipline the newbies and usually ends up taking more bandwidth than it was supposed to save. Have fun, Yossi. lioren1@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il / The people are with the Golan Heights. Currently serving somewhere in / Politically correct my ass. the Israeli Defense Forces. / Gravis Ultrasound - you'd better buy one - --------( "ObKibo" )--------- or I'll hit you (like my slogan?). ------------------------------ From: "Peter C. Chien Jr." Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GUS Max's 48 khz recording -- can anyone tell? For GUS Max users, can you tell the difference between a recorded sample at 48 khz and one at 44.1 khz? I mean really, blindfolded test and all? I figured CD quality is already 44.1 khz, and the human ear is deaf to anything clearer. Just wondering because someone posted specs for the AMD Interwave, but there wasn't anything mentioned about 48 khz sampling capability. -Peter ------------------------------ From: "Peter C. Chien Jr." Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GUS Max's 48 khz recording -- can anyone tell? For GUS Max users, can you tell the difference between a recorded sample at 48 khz and one at 44.1 khz? I mean really, blindfolded test and all? I figured CD quality is already 44.1 khz, and the human ear is deaf to anything clearer. Just wondering because someone posted specs for the AMD Interwave, but there wasn't anything mentioned about 48 khz sampling capability. -Peter ------------------------------ From: csjohn@isdnlin.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) Date: Sat, 27 May 95 14:20 CDT Subject: WTB: Gravis Ultrasound (fwd) >Path: isdnlin.mtsu.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!agis!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!nntpserver.pppl.gov!cnn.Princeton.EDU!wravery.student.princeton.edu!wravery >From: wravery@dozer.princeton.edu (Dozer) >Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio >Subject: WTB: Gravis Ultrasound >Date: 16 May 1995 08:53:06 GMT >Organization: Dozer's World >Lines: 15 >Message-ID: <3p9p5i$i7@cnn.Princeton.EDU> >NNTP-Posting-Host: wravery.student.princeton.edu >Keywords: GUS >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I need to find a Gravis Ultrasound card for my PC, revision 3.4 or higher. I would prefer a card that already has the full 1 meg of memory, but I can get that separately if need be. For a fully loaded card, I'd be willing to pay around $100, plus or minus shipping depending on the arrangements we make. Please respond quickly, as I'm starting to look more and more at the mail order catalogs. I know someone out there must want to unload their GUS on me for a lower price than the catalogs I've seen so far ;) P.S. Please respond via email to the address in my sig ----v Thanx alot! - -- "I'm waiting for life to shower me with meaning and happiness." --Calvin William Avery ------------------------------ From: csjohn@isdnlin.mtsu.edu (John Wallace) Date: Sat, 27 May 95 14:21 CDT Subject: Memory for GUS... (fwd) >Path: isdnlin.mtsu.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!stimpy!rks >From: rks@stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu (Raul Shum) >Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio >Subject: Memory for GUS... >Date: 15 May 1995 00:57:00 GMT >Organization: University of Michigan >Lines: 11 >Message-ID: <3p68ss$d64@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.us.itd.umich.edu >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have two 4 MG 70ns 30 Pin SIMMs.. which I would trade for a GUS MAX.. I really don't care if it's used. _____________________________________________________________________________ Raul Shum email : rks@umich.edu Information Technology Division @ The University of Michigan - Ann Arbor voice : 747-8651 for more info: finger rks@us.itd.umich.edu ------------------------------ From: Vince - IE - Experimental Mail Server Admin Acct Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GUS&SB16 (again...) From: emilr@ksnet.ksedb.no (Emil Rakoczy) First of all I'd like to thank everybody for the reply's. Even though all of them said the same thing ;). Anyway, a new problem has come up. You see, I'm also the proud(more or less) owner of an Enhanced IDE controller card, and the SB just f*cks up the whole shit. When I have my SB16 inside my computer(no GUS or SCSI) the diskstation wont work. Either I get a general failure message or the install prog just hangs. I've also tried to run the installation from my HD, but it wont help. Have anybody got a mailing adress(or a digest) for the SB? The same thing happens when I'm loading the drivers for the EnhIDE card. Evyrthing just hangs. Fortunately I have a full-30-days-money-back-warranty. I'll probably end up using that. I've also disabled everything on the SB. Including gameport, MIDI and IDE. Maybe the problem will disappear if I buy a SB Pro or something without the IDE interface? Help? Emil R This sucks. ------------------------------ From: j5oa@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Craig Galbraith) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 18:44:24 -0300 Subject: GUS and SB I use my GUS rev. 2.2 and a SB16 together...no problem. This is to the guy who was asking, by the way. Craig ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |~ | | (~ |_| _ _ _ _ ____ Craig Galbraith | |_/ _) | | | | | | | \| | | ) j5oa@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | |_| | | |\ | | SAINT JOHN 4th Year Biology \___/ |_| |_| |____) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Alan Clucas Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 00:02:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: How many GUS(MAX) & SB Users out there? > A number of times I read posts on this digest from people complaining that > the GUS doesn't work with 'x' game (MCarpet, Themepark etc..) and I get ready > to post back telling them they do when I remember that I am running a GUSMAX > alongside a SBPro which does give me the best of both worlds. This led me to > a thought....... > > How many people out there are also running these two card together (without > problems) ?? With this configuration I can't think of a single game that I > can't get sound support out of (be it GUS or SB) so in many ways Its the > ideal solution for all those people complaining about fiddling with games to > get them to work. > > This post is not intended as a platform for me to rave about my great system > ;-) I was just interested as to how many other people think this is the 'ideal' > soloution ?? I bought my GUS (v3.7) second hand for about 50Quid, and upgraded it to 512K with a couple of chips had lying around. I am very very pleased with it and think it sounds amazing compared with my original Sound Bastard 16 (lovely name ;) ). It probably is the ideal solution, except for bying a roland insted of the GUS, but then that is much more cash. The bastard has my CD-ROM on it so I can't get rid of it (it is the Creative Labs CR-563B (any good plays on 'creative labs' please)). They both live quite happily together, and the SB16 can do 16bit recording so I don't need a better GUS. I have always had the SB on x220 and the GUS on x240 but I have played around with all their settings and they seem to work fine with any set of IRQs and DMAs, the setup programs both working, the only annoying things being: 1. The GUS wipes over the Bastard's settings in config.sys. 2. The GUS will only autoinstall as the first WAVE and MIDI devices in windows, but I deleted windows so it doesn't matter ;). I have no idea as to whether there are any revision numbers on SB's so I dunno whether mine is newer/older than this guy's: > Okay, here goes _again_. There's a document on this... but... > If your SB is an SB16 this is going to be awfully difficult... since > the low level drivers seem to hate each other. I can't get the SB16 > setup program to work at all with my gravis even in its slot... so > you'll have to follow the instructions below for the SB _WITHOUT_ the > gravis installed, and then remove the drivers from the config.sys, and > put the GUS back in. I have the GUS 3.59 drivers and the latest SB drivers from ftp.creaf.com. One neat trick to try is (using linux) play midi files with adagio. It is a great program, and will use both sound cards, and then you can have even more channels :). (I wish it would automagically give the synth stuff to the SB and the other stuff to the GUS) Right, enough of my rambling..... Now for a problem. I want to use the combo to play Ultima Underworld 2, and they both will be detected Ok in setup, with the SB16 being an SBPro and the GUS being GM using MegaEm. I want to have stereo effects, and The GUS doing the music (which was even quite good on the SB but nothing compared to the GUS). I can only ever get the GUS working for music. Nothing else EVER works. Please can someone tell me how to get them all working together. 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